Australian Slot Car Racers Association

No because they are not people who win

NO Need to 'Check the Regs',.. it's Pretty Simple really Ball Bearings are NOT Allowed and Haven't been since the Inception of this Class.

For those 'Unsure' !!??,.. Here is the 'link' to the "Retro Construction Regulations";
http://forum.ascra.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1254

We had some discussion regarding the Possible use of BB's, when RaceWorld was running and the General consensus of Opinion was that they were arguably Unecessary and (from a Cost/Wear/Life) scenario, arguably Less 'Ideal' than standard 'Oilites' or 'Bushings'.
See here;
http://forum.ascra.com.au/viewtopic.php ... 4899#p4899

Following on from that, I think it worth considering, that one of my cars, (specifically "Old Faithful"), is Now well over 8 years Old and has done More than it's fair share of Racing and Podium placement in it's time AND (as has been evidenced by Many on Many occasions), has Often Out Rolled many Others cars !! AND it has a Piano Wire Front axle running in Brass Tubing !!!!,..

I guess this is What can happen when people buy Stuff/Cars/Parts etc from overseas, instead of Our/Their 'Local Raceway' !!, (where BB Fronts would NOT be available).

BTW, as far as I am aware the Various BB Type Front Wheels are Also available WITHOUT BB's actually Fitted.

In some/many ways I think it is actually rather Sad, that in a Class (and Group of Friendly, Open and arguably Honest 'Bunch' of Racers), where the Rules are virtually 'Understood' and 'Followed, as a Given, that this 'Alledged' variance can occur.

Retro racing as a class has managed to Exist/evolve into a rather Pleasant and friendly, Happy and Fun class of racing, where there AREN'T ANY 'Sheep Stations' on Offer or to be fought over and Tech' inspection/Scrutineering has been conducted Without the NEED for Any "Rule NAZI's" !! or tedious Officialdom and in all honesty, it would be Nice to Keep it that way !!,..

Hi Guys

Let's keep it real here.

Rules say NO BALL BEARINGS.

I asked who is using and winning with them after allegations from Oz.

Short answer - nobody is winning with them (as per Oz response) and we have no indication of who is using them - except that they (whoever they are) are not winning!

Are they perhaps coming 2nd or 3rd or 4th?

Thinking back over the past couple of years I would probably say not!

OK now back to Brad's initial query as to mandating smaller fronts in CanAm and therefore also Coupes. This issue was discussed in some detail in the discussion thread a couple of years ago when I was putting together a set of definitive Retro Rules - to refresh your memories (if you can be bothered/or are interested ) please read this thread which a lot of you contributed to here : -


http://forum.ascra.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1208


The upshot was that most agreed after discussing the issue that we should leave it as is.

In my opinion it is simple - we are trying to build inclusiveness in a disappearing (in the most part) hobby/interest/sport.

There is an international body of persons who share this interest with us and in the main have a similar rule set.

This enables newbies or less skilled oldies to purchase kits or ready to run cars that will conform to these generally accepted rules. If we make modifications to our local rule set we inadvertently disenfranchise potential new playmates - are we not trying to share our hobby? This means making entry on a (perceived and actual) equal playing field critical to the survival of our hobby and our fun!!!

Now getting back to Brad's issue this is how we I see it.

It's not that there is not enough meat left in the sidewall that is the issue IMHO.

The issue is that ANY meat left there will crumple and ultimately split - no amount of tape etc will stop this as the lexan will split regardless of the tape. What I do is remove virtually all the meat up to the top plane of the guard region so that when it hits it bends but does NOT crumple as it is in one plane only!!!

In fact I would suggest that the more meat that is in the side at the apex of the wheel arch then the more likely a tear will occur ultimately. Once there is a tear then it is the start of the end as we know. It's taken me a while to figure this out so consider it as great free advice.

As to the non cut out wheel arches it gets down again to newbie Racers. I have been guilty myself of letting it pass with an advise that it is not legal but have let them run in any event. My theory is that those who should know the rules should abide 100% whilst a little leeway can and should be afforded to others.

Looking forward to catching up with you all again soon.

I thought I replied earlier but I must forgot to hit the submit button
I’m off the fence ..... no rule change. Fox has pretty much covered the issues.
Wayne- if you know of anyone running BB; a private word with that person would be appropriate.
So how about a new debate?
All Retro racing on the small track.
If we get a consensus, our dictator could approach James to see if he is willing to change.
Neil

Shit stirrer Wayne Regards Brad.

Hi Neil

Sometimes the fence is the most uncomfortable place to be (so I am told)

Hey you guys it about 2 am over there - what are you doing still awake??

Building Cody beaters I hope (don't forget the BB fronts ).

See Ya soon.

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Hmmm Jet Lag or Travel Dysrythmia Perhaps Mark ??,.. lol

Is 2PM !!

Re: Neil,...

All Retro racing on the small track

Hmmm,.. Perhaps 4.5" Stock Cars on the Big Track !!??,..

Nah just can't read the clock!

Even so you are all retired so my question stands

RETRO PROS?
ANGLE WINDER STOCKERS?

Who is going to build them for the majority that don't build?

I am back at full time work and really enjoying it. Funny that took so long.
Anyhow my question was related to Retro on the small track.
But yes to Retro Rro as well. I think we had 6 cars on hand previously, so that’s a start. Whoever is building now will probably build a Retro Pro.

Hey Neil,

Which bit took so long - getting back to it or enjoying it?

Yeah I am fully in favour of not running on the big track - Two straights connected by crash zones is not my idea of a fun night

Enjoying
I am glad you agree as you are the dictator I was referring to.
Neil

It seems like there are no more contributions to the suggestion of running small wheels.

Brad, do you think you have an answer to your suggestion?


Seems like we have created another suggestion about only running Retro Can Am and F1? on the small HSC track.

I would vote for that too.

Mainly to save having two cars for the one class.

I think if we ran Retro on the HSC big track, it should be with a different class;
Maybe Retro Pro, or Stockers.

Two straights connected by crash zones

Hey !!,.. That's MY Line !!,..

Actually I first heard that from Ax so I guess it is a common conclusion.